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    capital punishment

    Post by Guest on Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:24 am

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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by dangrsmind on Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:21 am

    I love Penn and Teller. Not so much the death penalty.
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    update on case

    Post by FARMVILLIAN on Fri May 07, 2010 1:11 pm

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    link to article with students not wanting the DP in this case.

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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by Guest on Fri May 14, 2010 5:32 pm

    I think this is an interesting map showing that where in the world capital punishment is still used.
    Capital punishment has been used in almost every part of the globe, but in the last few decades many countries have abolished it. Abolitionist groups including Amnesty International classify countries into four categories:[1]

    • 58 maintain the death penalty in both law and practice.
    • 95 have abolished it.
    • 9 retain it for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as in time of war).
    • 35 permit its use for ordinary crimes, but have not used it for at least 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions or is under a moratorium.

    Additionally in 2009, Iran (5) and Saudi Arabia (2) executed offenders who were under the age of 18 at the time the crime was committed.[2] In some countries the practice of extrajudicial execution sporadically or systematically outside their own formal legal frameworks occurs. This list below includes several unrecognized states with de facto control over their territory and dependent territories, neither of which are included in the above numbers, except as noted above. Below, at least 714 were executed around the world.[3]

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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by Guest on Fri May 14, 2010 5:34 pm

    Okay key did not transfer
    Blue means abolished
    Green means abolished except in exceptional circumstances such as time of war
    Orange have not had an execution in at least 10 years
    Pink is legal punishment.
    Map is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_nation
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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by ziggy on Fri May 14, 2010 6:44 pm

    I just don't believe that when you have taken a life, that it is wrong for others to feel that you should not be allowed another breath, another laugh, a delicious piece of chocolate, the sound of music, the laughter of loved ones...

    A man owes his life when he has taken one; he must forfeit his right to live when he acts with malice in taking another's life because he does not only take that life, but destroys many lives with that act.

    So I don't think the death penalty is barbaric at all. I just call if fair in my book; no need to make anyone suffer or enjoy that someone must die, but to just accept sadly and casually that it is the right thing to do for the victim's family and loved ones. It's simply too much to ask of someone to accept that the person who took a life that they cherished will even have 1% enjoyment in his/her remaining years. It's just not right. It is the balancing act that I support.

    I cried reading the victim impact statements by Chelsea King's parents. Here is a snip from her Dad's:

    "As I said after the plea agreement hearing, today brings me no satisfaction. I want justice for Chelsea but justice has been stymied. I am not alone in my frustration with a justice system that does not immediately put to death a coward who admits, so that there can be no doubt, to these brutal crimes. I am not alone in my frustration with a justice system that 10 years ago identified this coward as a serious and violent threat to young girls and failed to imprison him and monitor him for the rest of his life. I am angry at the so-called experts who repeatedly tell us that cowards like him, violent sexual predators who target children, can be rehabilitated when all of us with an ounce of common sense know that our children are not safe and that these cowards pose an untenable risk to our kids. I am not alone in questioning the justice in a justice system that gives by right a convicted murderer and rapist unlimited access to a phone. Are we to accept the argument that it is cruel and unusual punishment to limit this freedom after he has so ruthlessly forever taken it from his victims? "


    There is much to do in the legal system. It is letting our innocent children down.

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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by Guest on Fri May 14, 2010 7:00 pm

    I can agree with the part that the system needs to get a lot more proactive in its handling of pedophiles. These cases are notoriously given light often meaningless sentences for the first offence. They pose a HUGE threat to society but are IMO not viewed that way by the legal system. I would support longer incarceration and SERIOUS monitoring after release. There is a lot of reform work that could be done there.
    I am sure that Chelsea Kings father wants the murderer killed. I question whether it will bring him any peace he is looking for.
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    Re: capital punishment

    Post by claudicici on Fri May 14, 2010 10:03 pm

    No,it would not bring him any peace.Nothing will.Time makes things a little easier but it doesn't heal.
    I also agree there's so much more the system and ALL of us can do to prevent these things.I don't think it's fair that convicted sex offenders are being let out to live among woman and children,I don't think it's fair that non violent guys that had girlfriends that were too young are being bunched up into the same registry,I don't think it's fair that there is no mental support in schools,there's no mental evaluation in schools,I think it would make so much of a difference if schools would stop worrying so much about test scores and start worrying about if the kids are mentally ok to deal with life and be part of the future.

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